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Five to one, it's a bro-de-o

Hey there! I'm back from the trip, but I still feel like I need a week to recover from the week. Do you know that feeling? (At least I got extra cherry blossom time. Whew.)

Writing update: after an initial burst, I've been blocked for a while now. I think it's because every time I sit down my brain keeps circling around to all my problems with the finale. For example, though I am DEFINITELY writing a version of the mytharc that deals with the Kara problem and also gives her more agency, it makes me want to write an essay first (particularly because I see a lot of "How could you not ever notice the angel stuff before, you dolts?" sentiment going around -- sigh). And how can I be done with the show if I feel no resolution to the storylines? This calls for a meta catharsis. (And everyone's seen it now, yes? Can I use spoilery icons?)

So no stories yet, but I still wanted to post something to amuse siljamus. One of my many problems with the finale has to do with the gender fail (for which topic Silja posted an excellent link roundup here) -- so I thought I'd share some laughs I had about it, and add a few more thoughts of my own to the discussion. Mockery has its uses! And so does meta! (As always, feel free to skip on by or dissent -- all voices welcome.)



When I first watched the finale, and got to the scene where all the dudes were lined up in the grass and perving on the natives (tm jeeshee), I yelled a line from the Flight of the Conchords song below: "TOO MANY DICKS ON THE DANCEFLOOR!" Holy moly, the ladies done gone missin'. And then as they plotted caveman interbreeding, and Tigh went, "LOL, YOUR NEW HAREM" to Gaius, I kept humming all the lines to the whole song right through in my brain, just to stay sane.

Just listen to it! It'll make you giggle. (And if someone would vid or icon that, I'd love you forever.)



We need to send a postcard to Ron, methinks: "Not enough ladies, too many mans."

There Will Be Blood

Seriously? I've had my problems with gender in this show on some other matters, but not with the survival rate before -- but I do now. Through BotS, I was all in favor of waiting and seeing. The numbers weren't too out of whack in my view, and more importantly, I was still getting kickass women driving the action. But for the finale--and even before the finale--I truly expected another bloodbath. Evenhanded, both genders. They promised us a season of death, and honestly...it's what I would have done. The show had been suffering from Too Many Characters syndrome for far too long at that point, it would have been a great way to raise the stakes and keep the viewers on their toes, and it would also have made the end seem sufficiently weighty and earned. But instead mostly women fall, as well as both the female leads (gah) -- and they didn't even have the nerve to off Helo where they should have, in the end. Frak it all. If I'd been in charge, they would have fallen too -- like testicle-laden trees!

I really didn't want to spend the finale yelling at the screen, disgusted and disengaged, but there it is. And that was even before the Kara-poof and the Tory murder backslapping, IIRC. Sigh. (Maybe they could show that throttling clip at the UN! I hear they're going to have one called "But Sometimes You Just Have to Choke a Bitch: a proposal to revise the Geneva Conventions to exclude ev0l h0rs.")

Beyond that, there's agency. Kara's is lessened as she becomes a tool of destiny, Laura's reduced to a mere bystander in the end -- and to top it off, the female characters who do survive aren't involved in the major decision-making process at all. (Dude, where's Paula? I would have made her point her guns at the Adamas the minute they hatched their cracky Luddite plan and yell "NOW, ye children of God, it's time for a revolution!")

There might be a crackfic in that. Mph. I guess she would have been onscreen if she was Gaius' main squeeze.

Which brings me back to a nagging feeling I've had about Kara's ending all along.

You will know Teh Poof

Okay.

Maybe it's just the way that all the surviving women are some other dude's OTP, combined with the fact that Kara's last moments are intercut with the Zak thing, but...I keep having this odd feeling that K/L (or rather deciding against it rather late in the game) is what caused the poof.

Think about it. Let's go with the notion that they weren't going to pay it off after all (not that it's the best option, IMO, but anyway). If they had just ended the whole Kara-Lee romantic deal in season three, as it seemed they might, that stuff would have already been resolved. No need to postpone this 'resolution' for her final moments, then, and all the "Kara can't keep her pants on" flashback yickiness that entailed. All they had to do was stop having them kiss each other and they'd have been their wondertwinsy dynamic duo selves, end of line. No problemo. No sudden Zak guilt/near misdeed retcon would then be necessary, supposedly making things (gasp!) oh so impossible -- a notion quite at odds with the way they supported each other rather wonderfully and selflessly this entire season, without hurting each other or other people. It's all so...abrupt, like they didn't have time to come up with an answer other than "Their longing is Forbidden" or "Look at this unbridgable distance!"

If Kara hadn't poofed, or at least had actively chosen to sacrifice her life in the process of bringing about the Earth destiny, I think I could have lived without more explanation. Either would have seemed like a satisfying conclusion. As it is, since she DID have a physical body again--by whatever miracle--I'm still left wondering why she couldn't stay. (Then my brain starts to sound like a parent arguing with a pesky toddler: "Because her time was up." Why? "Because she was already dead." Why did she have to die to fulfill her destiny, when Gaius and the others didn't? "Because." Because why? "Because God said so." Is God a sadist? "Apparently.")

...Or because God likes to kill off women, or because Kara isn't capable of growing and changing and achieving happiness with or without someone, or because her life just always sucked, or because broken people are just broken. (Not Gaius or the Tighs, but...well.)

So yeah. Does anyone else feel this? On the podcast they said something like: "She has to leave him like that because she always leaves him." (Though she always came back, too...but no matter.) Look, there's a way to end that storyline without her dying again! It hit a nerve.

This idea makes me sad, because--I would have liked her to still be alive, obviously, but not like THAT. Not alive just for Lee. I would have wanted her to live because she found value in herself and in living a normal life. Frankly, as pretty as they are together, I'm far more wedded to the idea of Admiral Thrace, functioning and with it, than I am of Kara shacking up with anyone. I talk about this with DB a lot: my real ship is Kara/emotional stability. Her life began in bitterness, none of her own making; she was damaged long before the war hit, and I wanted to see her get a chance to overcome that.

So if her romance with Lee just wasn't going to happen (or even, more annoyingly, was "against fate") -- they still could've just let her be. If the Raptor had lifted off and my pilots had turned to each other and said, "Hey, we need to go build a new world now; maybe we should really stop this kissing-plus-pep-talks thing, though," and been wondertwinsy forever, I still would have eaten it up with a spoon. They'd still be alive and happy and doing things with their wonderful partership of equals, and it would have paid off the generational theme I thought they'd hit pretty hard in "Revelations": they'd be Adama and Roslin 2.0, the children taking the place of their parents.

I don't know why the reason the writers went that way matters to me so much; it's irrelevant, in the end, but it's still something I think about. Whether or not it was planned that way all along, her fate feels ad hoc. And after tormenting us and her with this question for an entire season, after all this tremendous character went through...that's just sad. (Next up: meta on why we needed to see the space between life and death -- Kara, agency, and mytharc fail.)

But even though she deserved a better destiny, at least I have this: she was a badass in both her lives. And nothing can change that.

Any thoughts? Maybe we could have a snark macro fest, instead. ;)
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Hey just a random reader..
hope you don't mind;; i love your writing!
All the best <3
- Noonz xox
Hey, welcome! No, I don't mind at all. And thanks. :)
So I started with the whole falling out of my chair laughing thing--seriously, I think my roommate was alarmed--because OMG!!!

Frak it all. If I'd been in charge, they would have fallen too -- like testicle-laden trees!

HA!!!

(Dude, where's Paula? I would have made her point her guns at the Adamas the minute they hatched their cracky Luddite plan and yell "NOW, ye children of God, it's time for a revolution!")

SERIOUSLY!!! This would rock a lot.

You will know Teh Poof

And that would be the point where I really started laughing. Because you, my dear, rock the snark SO HARD, and it's a beautiful thing.

But then I got all depressed again by the rest of it because UGH! Such fail! All of it: Kara, Laura, Caprica, Narrative. So many things set up and not fulfilled, so many ways it could have been SO MUCH BETTER. And this makes me want to CRY AND SWEAR AND HIT THINGS:

On the podcast they said something like: "She has to leave him like that because she always leaves him."

SERIOUSLY!?!?!?!?!?!? Now, you know that I'm quite coming around to Lee at present, and never more so than in light of how much he was given the shaft in the finale, but are they actually, blatantly telling us that the decision about Kara's fate was made not about HER but about WHAT SHE MEANS TO LEE?!?!?!? Of course they are. It's not like any other woman ended up with a life that was her own and not about a significant other. It just shocks me a little bit WHEN THEY SAY SO OUT LOUD. Like...how do they not see that this is FAIL!!!!

(Plus, I'm not sure how demonstrably true it is that Kara "always" leaves Lee, anyway. And since she doesn't actually have any agency, as it turns out, wouldn't it be more accurate to say that God always takes Kara away from Lee because God doesn't seem to give a damn about either one of them???)

Blerg! Anyway, yes, you are awesome, and I agree with you, and I thank you for making me laugh! *squishes*
Oh no! I'm sorry I veered away from snark, I should have kept it happy. I just...I can't shake this feeling and I should let it go, because it's just spec, and authorial intent doesn't matter anyway, right? But the juxtaposition of her poof with the anvilicious "Their love is Never to Be!" flashback business just does bad things to my equilibrium!

but are they actually, blatantly telling us that the decision about Kara's fate was made not about HER but about WHAT SHE MEANS TO LEE?!?!?!?

I'm not sure if that's what they meant or if it's the way I'm just reading it. I haven't had the heart to rewatch OR re-listen (and I only listened to the last five minutes, anyway). /o\

Here's some more snark, eh?

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Regardless of the reason they did it, it sucked that Kara "had" to die to fulfill her destiny, while Gaius got angels that helped him masturbate.

wouldn't it be more accurate to say that God always takes Kara away from Lee because God doesn't seem to give a damn about either one of them???

AHAHAHA. AND OW. Yes. God hates some people more than others. More people with vaginas, but. Clearly!

At least we have snark. *squishes back*
Oh, that wasn't a complainy "how dare you veer away from snark and make me want to stab things again" comment. Because seriously, I'm developing a pavlovian reaction: I see the words "BSG finale" and I automatically want to stab things. It's kind of cathartic. Or something. :)

I'm not sure if that's what they meant or if it's the way I'm just reading it.

I must at this juncture go back to Chaila's point: I don't care what they meant. What they said was still FAIL!

Also, HEE!!!! *CRIES* *STABS THINGS* Snark just jumbles all the emotions together, I think. Which is not a bad thing--surely it's healthier than all rage, all the time!
I hear they're going to have one called "But Sometimes You Just Have to Choke a Bitch: a proposal to revise the Geneva Conventions to exclude ev0l h0rs.")

HAHHAHHA This totally made me laugh out loud. You know EJO would be leading a slow clap/SSWA for that one too. (Am still angry about the cut scene with Adama choking Kara AFTER he told her she was on his daughter list again. Grr.)

And the thing about Kara and whether or not the poof needed to happen...I too keep wondering what the point of it all is. Seriously if you strip all the rest of it away, she remebered a song her (non-cylon) dad taught her as a kid, she turned the notes into numbers and made it into an FTL combo. And that was her big destiny. There is no need for her to have died. (I've seen meta saying she needed to die to lead them to ruined earth so they could have a cautionary tale moment about how stupid people are and this is why they can't have nice things, but it doesn't compute fully for me. Maybe if they'd fleshed out more of the story of the first earth in an interesting way rather than in a huge ass info dump...)

But you're totally right in that asking why just leads to a tailspin of unfulfilling suckage. Because the more examine it the more bullshit you can unpack from that finale.

As far as K/L goes, I disagree that they could've just ended the romantic relationship with them and continued on as friends/wondertwins after Maelstrom (whether Kara was dead or not). I just don't think there's anyway we could've bought that those two could actually quit each other. Not after Unfinished Business anyway. Because the episode where they were supposed to be doing just that, Taking a Break, was such major fail on so many levels and ended with them furtively eyefrakking in the bar. Did anyone (even the Lee/Dee shippers, few as they may be) truly believe Lee when he said he was over Kara? No frakking way.

The show spent 3 seasons building them up as this epic couple whose lives just kind of went to shit when they weren't together and ALWAYS ALWAYS had to return to their deep bond. And not just as friends. Because that last bit of UBEX when he pulls her head up and wants to kiss her right there in the ring? And even that tiny bit in A Day in the Life when they get all flirty eyes in the ready room? And the wistfulness in Maelstrom. I don't know if it's just the actors' mucho chemistry being undeniable but they never could have convinced me Lee and Kara were meant to be friends.

I do think they boxed themselves into a bit of a corner by keeping Anders around so long though. Because even if he had died in Deadlock...if Kara had still had such an emotional response to his death, then a Kara/Lee hookup at the end would have been tougher to sell without making her look like an asshole. Although I don't know...maybe they could've pulled it off. Or maybe Katee wouldn't have played the beats with Sam so hard (and certainly wouldn't have adlibbed "I Love You" if she knew she was getting a romantic ending with Lee?)

OMG I have so much still to say about this and am rambling all over your journal. Last thought, I promise. Even if Kara was going to poof, why on earth couldn't her work have included helping the fleet strategize (which is what she does best!) for the future before going? I can't help but feel if she'd been in the scene with Lee and Adama, Kara would have told them they were frakking crazy to get rid of medical supplies and whatever. But someone was in love with a white men/colonial solution to it all.


And the thing about Kara and whether or not the poof needed to happen...I too keep wondering what the point of it all is. Seriously if you strip all the rest of it away, she remebered a song her (non-cylon) dad taught her as a kid, she turned the notes into numbers and made it into an FTL combo. And that was her big destiny. There is no need for her to have died.

OK, I don't think I fully realized that until THIS VERY MOMENT and..........AAAAAAAAAGH. I have to....I have to go lie down.
Yeah, I hear you. That's been one of my biggest aggravations (and the topic of my next post). I cycle my toddler arguments over and over and never get anywhere!

I was so convinced they'd pay off why she had to die -- that her death would had meaning. She was told to fulfill her destiny she had to enter the Maelstrom, and driven mad until she did so! Sigh. A typical hero quest pattern is a journey to the underworld in order to get crucial knowledge for the road ahead, so I expected something like that when she popped up in the shiny viper claiming to know the way. Instead she came back with a memory gap for those two months, and no idea how it all had occurred -- and instead of the way to our Earth, she got a hell of a lot of misdirection in its place.

I'm okay with the concept that not every little thing needs to be spelled out. But the mystery of her death was central to this whole thing! Whyyyyyy?

indigo419

April 3 2009, 04:31:38 UTC 7 years ago Edited:  April 3 2009, 04:46:09 UTC

But you're totally right in that asking why just leads to a tailspin of unfulfilling suckage. Because the more you examine it the more bullshit you can unpack from that finale.

I just keep following your posts around and nodding my assent. Exponential hate, indeed.

I just wish I'd been in the writers' room when RDM presented that K/L ending. What did Taylor and Verheiden - hell, even Angeli - say when they saw that? Or did RDM run up so hard against his deadline that he didn't have enough time to run this by his staff? Was there no one who could have told him, "um, hey, you totally blew this storyline, and misunderstood or screwed over everything we were trying to do with this pairing for six years"? (oh, wait, RDM himself set up that pairing from the very beginning of the show!!!??!!@#%$#^%)

...sorry, foaming at the mouth again! *tries to find Zen again*

ETA: sorry, italics fail! And yes, why was it, exactly, that Kara had to die to fulfill her destiny, the first or second or third time??

*shakes head*
What is it with him and neck-grabbing? Adama should have been told long ago that he doesn't get a pass for assaulting his fake daughters, even if he follows it up with a hug. Bleh.

There is no need for her to have died.

This is exactly what is driving me crazy! If it's all divine messages from beyond, what reason was there for her to make the journey through the maelstrom? Bah. There could have been so many ways this could've worked as a myth pattern. This is definitely my next post.

I've seen meta saying she needed to die to lead them to ruined earth so they could have a cautionary tale moment about how stupid people are and this is why they can't have nice things, but it doesn't compute fully for me.

Yeah, that might have been interesting, if I felt they had gone there -- I wondered if they might draw some lesson from the destruction of Earth, but no one on the show ever did (unless you count Roslin deciding that the prophecies were crap and Lee putting a spin on it that they could now "make their own destiny"). The final five didn't even gain many crucial flashback memories there, either (which really would have helped avoid the info-dump, yes). As it stands it all just seems like...God's little joke.

I wish instead of the info-dump episode they had just issued a little booklet on the backstory instead, heh. Or a between-seasons novella. You know how they love tie-ins! ;)

As far as K/L goes, I disagree that they could've just ended the romantic relationship with them and continued on as friends/wondertwins after Maelstrom (whether Kara was dead or not). I just don't think there's anyway we could've bought that those two could actually quit each other. Not after Unfinished Business anyway.

Oh, I hear you! I agree that would have undermined the previous build-up, particularly in UB, and I certainly didn't think it would ever be over between them. I just mean to say, if they were going to end it, that would have been a better alternative than continuing to prolong it just to drop it even more abruptly the way they did -- especially by adding the Zak betrayal retcon ending, and making Kara disappear. From all indications they just kept changing their minds, and it all smacks of incoherent storytelling. Why postpone the (ultimately unconvincing) alleged reason for why it just wasn't going to happen to the very end of the finale -- and Kara's very last scene? It's bizarre. Especially after a whole season which showed them at their best, and why they could work.

But when all's said and done, though, I would still rather have Kara be ALIVE. This is why the wondertwinsy option would still have been more acceptable to me. I should have made it clear that my happiness would have been relative.

I can't help but feel if she'd been in the scene with Lee and Adama, Kara would have told them they were frakking crazy to get rid of medical supplies and whatever.

Hee! Yes! I can so picture her doing this. And Laura should be there, too, lowering her glasses a little and giving them The Look.

"OK...maybe not the best idea, then."

But then again none of the major decisions made in the finale had any conflict or argument or discussion around it. No debate for the plan to take all the Raptors and Galactica's precious parts away to fetch ONE little girl? No uproar over the anti-tech solution, even? When has the fleet ever been more unified and less vocal?

BSG used to be about being able to see both sides of an argument, people caught in ethical dilemmas, and tough choices. This ending just tells us that sometimes the solution to everything is quite pat -- if you've run out of time to show any debate, then there must not have been any. My my. How very convienent. Too bad I don't buy it. OR the idea that Lee's plan wouldn't result in the breakdown of civilized society in the brutal struggle to survive -- or that shiny endings were at all possible. I just know too much ancient history. Everyone's lives were about to become nasty, brutish, and short. So maybe it's a good thing Kara ducked out on that. ;)

Oh, and ramble all over my journal as much as you like! :) This is fun.

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First, I have to get all the giggles out of the way. 'Cause that was freakin' hilarious. I showed the video to Mr. Bee who then proceeded to also get the giggles. We then proceeded to shout lines of your meta from the office to the bedroom (separate computers and bathrooms is what makes our marriage work, btw) and giggle some more. The UN "choke a bitch" line was a particular favorite.

Then I continued reading (silently) and I began to get sad. Again. Because it's so damn true. I also strongly suspect that losing the K/L ending screwed Kara over. And I agree with Tara that I don't think they could've taken the romantic angle out and still made it feel satisfying, simply because they'd been playing up until the very end.

But it also made me sad for Lee. Boy lost everything-- but no, boy Really. Lost. Everything. His reasons for existence in S4 boiled down to two things: (a) rebuilding democracy, and (b) Kara Thrace. That's it. That's all he was about. The democracy thing got snatched away to retcon and accommodate a shitty evolutionary timeline so we could get a stupid-ass robot montage in Times Square. So much for the next Leader of Everything. (He's too busy singing 'The Hills are Alive' WTF?????!!!!!)

So that just left Kara. Why oh why did they change their minds on this? It was the most obvious, most logical choice in the narrative book and they just told it to fuck off (after drop kicking it into the street so it could be run over by a couple cars first-- and people want to know WHY I look like somebody just killed my puppy????)

All his growth this season, both personal and professional, turned out to be for naught.

Apparently there are no second chances. And takebacks are perfectly legal.

**weeps and reaches for the sackcloth and ashes**
But it also made me sad for Lee. Boy lost everything-- but no, boy Really. Lost. Everything. His reasons for existence in S4 boiled down to two things: (a) rebuilding democracy, and (b) Kara Thrace. That's it. That's all he was about. The democracy thing got snatched away to retcon and accommodate a shitty evolutionary timeline so we could get a stupid-ass robot montage in Times Square. So much for the next Leader of Everything. (He's too busy singing 'The Hills are Alive' WTF?????!!!!!)

As a Lee fan, I think this is what hurts my heart the most. What a disgraceful way to leave the supposed "hero" of your show.
OK, I have that Flight of the Conchords song in my head now, THANKS A LOT. Heh.

Maybe they could show that throttling clip at the UN! I hear they're going to have one called "But Sometimes You Just Have to Choke a Bitch: a proposal to revise the Geneva Conventions to exclude ev0l h0rs.

*snerk* Hey, it's OK to kill someone as long as you're a MALE Cylon! Or, if, like Athena, you kill ANOTHER dirty whore Cylon female! Then it's okay. (But, p.s., your baby will die if you can't get your man to love you enough.)

Maybe it's just the way that all the surviving women are some other dude's OTP, combined with the fact that Kara's last moments are intercut with the Zak thing, but...I keep having this odd feeling that K/L (or rather deciding against it rather late in the game) is what caused the poof.

Hrm, yes. I'm sure it's a safe bet that going into the finale RDM had no idea what Kara's ultimate fate would be, and then when he came up with his BRILLIANT flashback idea illustrating why Lee and Kara are horrible sluts who can never be together, making her go poof was the perfect solution to his crippling writer's block. I mean, he pretty much admitted he just wanted to take the easy way out, and he certainly did that.

On the podcast they said something like: "She has to leave him like that because she always leaves him."

Yeah, it's statements like that that make me feel like I'm about to have an aneurysm. Because a) RLY? and b) THAT IS NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON WHEN ALL OF YOUR OTHER CHARACTERS GET THESE HAPPY ENDINGS THAT THEY TOTALLY DIDN'T DESERVE.

Seriously, WHY did Lee and Kara have to be held accountable for all of their past actions and not anybody else??? Except for Tory, apparently?

And I *completely* agree re: Kara finding value in herself. Katee always said she just wanted Kara to have peace, and I'm not convinced that's what she got, here. It certainly wasn't a "peace" of her own choosing, so how can it be true peace or fulfillment? Hasn't Kara sacrificed enough? To pull Lee into it too, it's just total crap that the two people who put their lives on the line the most for the survival of the human race, got shit on the most in the end. It makes no fucking sense.

A friend of mine who gave up watching BSG a while ago but who patiently listened to me rant about the finale, said that if you're writing a series finale, and you can't come up with something TRULY special and clever (like "Newhart" or some such thing), then you should just go with the nice happy ending. Because at least then you won't leave your fans aggravated and pissed off. The problem is that RDM clearly thought he DID come up with that special and clever ending, when.....no. Epic, epic fail.
You will know Teh Poof

Then my brain starts to sound like a parent arguing with a pesky toddler


You had me laughing so hard I was afraid I was going to wake up the kids! :D

...and it would have been worth it, because the amount of rage that's left in me after two weeks is astonishing. Better to laugh, eh?
Word to ALL OF THIS! I was similarly holding out for the women of the show to be awesome in the finale and, well, that got thrown back in my face. The line up of pervs was really the point when it hit me, and having read some excellent meta since then I really can't ignore the gender issues any more. Which is sad.

And also re: Kara's meaningless destiny...well, quite. I am still struggling with this, because as you say everything about her journey was totally unnecessary, save the STWOM revelation. I have seen some meta saying that she is finally at peace or whatever. Hmm. I would much, *much* rather she was at peace and ALIVE than in some afterlife (the existence of which is unconfirmed in show universe despite God). What is peace for Kara? Wafting around with a harp and a white robe? Or finally getting the life she deserved, having dealt with her problems with her mother, her father and finally her problems with men?!

Eh. That song is hilarious!

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Oh, totally! Also he did all that just so we could have Hera as our ancestress and still make robots which might also kill us. *shrug*
Too many dicks! (Why doesn't iTunes have that for downloading? Sigh.) A very, very appropriate song for the episode. I'll have to see if I can make icons later.

You will know Teh Poof

Okay, this and all the icons keep making me giggle. When I got my cat ten years ago, South Park was at the height of its fame. My cat's name was Queso, so I nicknamed him "Cheesy Poof" after a joke from the show. Since then, the nickname has stuck, and I call him "the poof" more than I do his actual name. So, everyone now has icons about my cat! And he probably could've written a better episode script than RDM.

As for the actual substance of your post....

I'm with you on the genderfail. At first, I kept trying to make excuses. "Well, Laura was always going to die. Kara's disappearance makes a bit of sense, even if it pisses me off. Tory's death was misguided, obnoxious retribution. There was a plot-related reason why certain main characters survived. Blah, blah." But I quickly realized that it was all just *excuses* for something that was NOT necessary. Or even if I were to find a semi-legitimate reason for those deaths, then the fact that the death ratio is overwhelmingly pro-male is still really, really bad. As you said, they could've easily killed off Helo. All the plot-related excuses don't ameliorate the fates these women received, especially given that many of them could've so easily LIVED within the confines of RDM's (ridiculous) plan.

And as for K/L....

*tragic sigh mixed with primal scream*

I totally agree with your comments about how Kara didn't get the ending she deserved, especially since her arc seemed to be about rising above her lack of self-worth in the service of becoming the fleet's protector and savior. If that's the case, then wouldn't the fact that she DID make such a huge sacrifice and leap of faith be enough to reward her with something remotely happy in the end? And it's so damned frustrating because I really think I would've been able to handle her disappearance if we'd just gotten a FEW lines of dialogue from her acknowledging the breadth of what she had done and *accepting* her fate. Hell, just let her know what was going to happen to her! Even better if we'd seen her get some type of reconciliation with Lee beforehand; even those who aren't fond of the Pilots 'ship still accept that they are so important to each other. It would've been SO easy to do without changing much about the plot itself, and it would have given Kara an ending that was a bit closer to the one she deserved. Instead, all that was tossed aside because RDM wanted a "gotcha" for the Big Dramatic Poofing.

GRRRRRRRRRR.

As I said last week, this episode already had so many problems that no amount of reworking could solve -- but the bitter tragedy is that even if RDM had a certain overall outcome stubbornly set in stone, quite a few of those problems could have so EASILY been semi-fixed with small changes. Or, if not fixed, then at least less offensive and tragic for the characters.

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siljamus

April 5 2009, 17:41:20 UTC 7 years ago Edited:  April 5 2009, 17:41:47 UTC

That is rather hilarious! Thank you for sharing :D

(Sorry I didn't get to this sooner, but things have been crazy bad for me in the last week or so.)
Hey D!! I've just read your entry (I've been really busy these days and I'm catching up with posts!). I always love reading your thoughts (about everything and of course, BSG) and I agree with everything you say here. I'm disappointed with the ending too... and yeah, the part that bothers me the most, I think, it is Kara's ending. I believe their being an angel ripped her from her essence as a character... and prevented her to have the chance to be happy and have that emotional stability she certainly deserved (if Lee's OTP was democracy, Kara's OTP was mental stability, yeah! ;)). I never ever thought that Kara was doomed for having a horrible childhood. And, of course, I can't buy that Kara was only able to "find peace" in the afterlife. That's ridiculous.

To me, Kara and Lee's journey always was about their finding their own place in the world, it was a journey of growing up, both individually and as a couple. And frankly, Lee and Kara truly mature since "Maelstrom"... It is a shame that RDM didn't notice that, because -even if BSG is supposed to be "dark and gritty"- a happy ending for them was fitting. I think Kara and Lee earned their bright and shiny future through pain, blood and sacrifices... And I can't understand that RDM was totally unable to see that. I guess he didn't care very much for Lee and Kara (but I always thought that Kara was his fave character *sighs*).

Well, and I'm being really wordy... just thanks for sharing your thoughts, it is always a pleasure to read them! ;)

btw, the video was hilarious! Thanks for sharing! ;D
Oh, thank you for this.

I was so annoyed at the finale for other reasons that I totally didn't realize that, you know, two of the major female characters died in it.
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